Curse

KycooGhost · Sep 28, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Looks interesting, might give DoA a try now that there is a way for Ele's to have a shot at groups.

Enko · Sep 28, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

you guys have any screenshots of an hour and a half run?

mage767 · Sep 28, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

these guys spam cry...they lose 30 in an instant, they have the perfect skill for maintaining energy, it is perpetual and if you have that then why try something else?

ether renewal is best for this.

ER wastes spot for 2 other useful skills.

Learn to ele, then talk please.

I love ER builds, but if you have ever used EP with cry, then you will not have contested.

Oh, and the two reserved spots can be a Ebon Ward (each ele brings 1 type), and Inspired Hex (to remove any hexes that might have been caught by *mistake*). Finally, energy blast should be replaced with GoLE.

Mr. Undisclosed · Sep 28, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by obsidian ectoplasm

well, for me when i normally logg on its around 2 in the morning US time, so id be lucky to find more than 2 people there, and if i do they are normally afk.

and i am not considering joining another guild, so to me DoA is dead.

Kinda missing the point of GUILD WARS

Flopp Plopp · Sep 28, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by mage767

ER wastes spot for 2 other useful skills.

Oh, and the two reserved spots can be a Ebon Ward (each ele brings 1 type).

Ebon battle standard of honor does not work with cry of pain.

czfeng · Sep 28, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37

best time: 3 areas down 1h10 with foundry left, died in 2nd room cos they spawn right on top of us lol, pissed me off

Shadowmoon · Sep 28, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by czfeng

best time: 3 areas down 1h10 with foundry left, died in 2nd room cos they spawn right on top of us lol, pissed me off

same thing with us last night testing build, but it was at 1h45 on our first test. There is a way to avoid this, changing the healing monk secoundary, but without a bip it would probably suck for the rest of the run with no e-management.

high priestess anya · Sep 28, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by mage767

ER wastes spot for 2 other useful skills.

Learn to ele, then talk please.

I love ER builds, but if you have ever used EP with cry, then you will not have contested.

Oh, and the two reserved spots can be a Ebon Ward (each ele brings 1 type), and Inspired Hex (to remove any hexes that might have been caught by *mistake*). Finally, energy blast should be replaced with GoLE.

both me and czfengs team has massive exp in DoA and im sure that if EP was better it would be on the bar, infinite energy from ER is still infinite energy, no need for GoLE nor ether prism. There is no need for inspired hex neither, these guys rush through mobs as fast as they can, they dont wanna be standing around casting wards etc, or wasting slots on non-dmg skills, the only thing that i can think of that would improve the bar is intensity and maybe the asuran ward which makes skills recharge faster which i wouldnt use as it slows you down

Shadowmoon · Sep 28, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

still major flaw in this build is room 2 foundry, you totally are helpless to the spawn, and you have no escape mechanism, anya, i'm really curious how your groups handle room 2, see how u have diffent builds than him.

high priestess anya · Sep 28, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

still major flaw in this build is room 2 foundry, you totally are helpless to the spawn, and you have no escape mechanism, anya, i'm really curious how your groups handle room 2, see how u have diffent builds than him.

we scatter...3 people near the entrance and 3 near the door where 3 man spam their spirits, pre prot spirit on people and just make sure your caller is always calling appropriately, first target should always been the dryders and try and save cry for interupts.
monks should have glyph already used just as the mob spawns so they can spam 2 heal parties without it affecting their energy. this shouldnt take long if your cryers have nice ranks
EDIT: his monk builds are a little different than the ones i use, my bonder is much much more versatile

Shadowmoon · Sep 28, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

ok so one of the groups will get aggro no matter what, see how i've never seen a spawn where both safe spots are actually safe, always one is screwed. Just wondering what your failure rate at this. We always gate jump to prevent wipes. Of course your casters are more hearty than our casters.

high priestess anya · Sep 28, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

ok so one of the groups will get aggro no matter what, see how i've never seen a spawn where both safe spots are actually safe, always one is screwed. Just wondering what your failure rate at this. We always gate jump to prevent wipes. Of course your casters are more hearty than our casters.

try and squeeze prot spirit onto both monk bars and make a more effective bonder ( tweak build ). if you have one of your squishies standing blatantly in aggro you can prot him up and stand him infront of your healer monk, out of range so that SF doesnt scatter to other team members.
but most effective way off solving this is alert cryers. they have the power too mass interupt, this room is down to them tbh

EDIT: its not always the case that a group will be ownt by the dryders, just depends on the spawn but if you get one cryer to spam c+cry of pain button until they spawn that will give you the edge and take away the "surpise!! you dead!!!" factor

EDIT AGAIN: sorry, lol...his bonder build aint so good because even with ether sig you cant maintain life barrier on your casters and ideally you dont want your casters taking dmg especially the monks (the germans never had this problem with their build)

never__mind · Sep 28, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

I like the idea of energy management ench and other enchs to synergise with symbiosis which I think is the main point psy is trying to make here.

I think using intensity isn't too bad since you're using consumables. If the second room is really that bad could also think about getting fridgid armor on those eles, should stop their sf a lot and perhaps that dwarven shout that stops everyone being knocked down temporarily cause of their meteors. Maybe a rt/me cryer with some v defensive spirits if you don't mind dropping one ele to make foundry room 2 a little safer and can still manage rit's energy

(just a thought).

Would be nice maybe to fit something spammable like dwayna's sorrow into the build, as a cover ench for the eles if you use intensity etc. Maybe also, ether nightmare on one person instead of conjure since you only have 2 pve skills.

Anyway these are just ideas thrown out there, not flamebait.

Shadowmoon · Sep 28, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

I must say i like the idea of using 2 healer prot hybrids instead of a healer and a bonder that anya has suggested. Tank shouldn't be taking much damage because it a perma, and any extra damage prevented by bonds would be fixed by the extra healing. plus the mesmer caller, alwasy got aggro becuase it doesn't have the 1K health like the rest of the casters, so a pre prot would do him good.

I think using ether nightmare over conjure nightmare would be a mistake, i do understand it is a aoe hex, but its not as spamable, and has a 3 sec cast over a 1 sec cast.

Zodiac Meteor · Sep 28, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

I have a question. What would a 1HP BiP play in here? It could save an elite slot.

Arcane Echo
+Echo
+Cry of Pain
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x3 Cry of Pain

That would be awesome. Make monsters go BOOM faster. Ha Ha, if that was true. The point is keep playing around with the build, who knows, you might find something better.

Senrath · Sep 28, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

I have a question. What would a 1HP BiP play in here? It could save an elite slot.

Arcane Echo
+Echo
+Cry of Pain
--------------
x3 Cry of Pain

That would be awesome. Make monsters go BOOM faster. Ha Ha, if that was true. The point is keep playing around with the build, who knows, you might find something better.

No real point in that. Things usually go splat fast enough as it is.

high priestess anya · Sep 28, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

things do go BOOM too fast,i can see cop getting nerfed along side the "KD to death" warriors

My Lipgloss is Cool · Sep 29, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

CoP is the only play Mesmers ever get; a nerf to that would remove PvE mesmers from any play.

high priestess anya · Sep 29, 2008, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool

CoP is the only play Mesmers ever get; a nerf to that would remove PvE mesmers from any play.

there is always space for a mesmer in any team. no one single char can mess up a single target like a mesmer can, mesmers can own any boss in pve with ease without the use of cry (barring mallyx and the like)

**Marty Silverblade** · Sep 29, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

there is always space for a mesmer in any team. no one single char can mess up a single target like a mesmer can, mesmers can own any boss in pve with ease without the use of cry (barring mallyx and the like)

Problem is that people don't care. If you don't make big numbers (elementalist), tank (warrior), or heal (monk), then you're useless according to all the dumb people out there. There are a lot of dumb people on the internet.